Wednesday, October 1, 2025

Daemonsgate: The Legend of Yelda

The next phase of the quest.
    
I start this session in the ruined city of Tan-Eldorith, looking for the research notes belonging to Dorovan, the sorcerer who opened the titular daemonsgate. He was trying to figure out how to teleport across distances, but his experiments were sabotaged by the Pilots' Guild, which wanted to maintain their monopoly on teleportation-based travel. Said sabotage caused demons to flood into the world and destroy the cities of Elsopea, including the Pilots' Guild, so I hope they feel it was worth it.
      
As I load, the party is outside the city. I must have escaped to rest after the last session; it's not like there are any inns in the demon-infested ruins. Every time I re-enter, I have to fight several battles with demon guards. They look enormous and intimidating when I approach them, but they're not too hard in battle. However, all battles sap fatigue, and if the battles go poorly, I might start getting messages that the party is tired and needs to rest almost immediately, requiring me to head back outside again.
    
The large city is surrounded by a high (intact) wall, and the only way to penetrate is through a destroyed gate to the south. Like most cities in the game, it is annoyingly large. I mean, I can't fault it for realism. Imagine being told that you need to collect some "research notes" from an unnamed building in Manhattan. It would take a long time to search them all. It just doesn't necessarily make for a fun game.
           
        
Most of the buildings here are obviously destroyed from the outside. The intact ones are ransacked on the inside or have their doors fused shut. Some buildings have been converted to barracks and are full of beds, but we cannot rest there. Demon patrols are everywhere. It gets old constantly leaving the city to rest, so I end up saving near the middle of the city, exploring, and reloading when I don't find anything.
    
Eventually, in the northwest quadrant (but not the corner), I find a building that was "once the center for the study of the magikal arts," but now "home to foul daemons and other filth." Inside are a number of pentagrams drawn on the ground, a couple of them occupied by huge demons. After killing one of them, something like a book is revealed beneath where he stood, and I snap it up: Dorovan's Notes.
         
This guy is standing on the quest item. He was easier than he looks.
       
I spent a lot of time looking for the Pilots' Guild building that will supposedly let me teleport out of here, but I don't find anything. I'd love to know where it was supposed to be—maybe in a different Elsopean city? The closest thing I find is a central building with a "plinth upon which the city's energy gem sat," but I don't find the gem, and there's no obvious sign of a teleportation mechanism.
          
Kudos for the grammatically accurate sentence.
        
Thus, I reluctantly leave the city and settle in for the long track back to the northern end of the map. It takes about 45 minutes of real time to walk all the way up there, crossing rivers, camping when we get tired, fighting random battles, meeting random NPCs, and so forth. We enter Dryleaf, go to the tavern, pay Captain East to take us to Joruli Point, enter that city, find the place where Alathon was staying . . . only to be handed a note by a maid. Alathon has moved on to Trade Town, the city north of Dryleaf.
        
Growling at having wasted 300 gold in passage for this information, we return to the mainland and walk north to Trade Town. Alathon is in the bar, and it takes me a while to figure out how to hand him the notes. It's the same set of commands as if you want to trade items among party members; as long as you're standing near NPCs, you get their portraits in the interface after you cycle through all the party.
           
Giving an item to an NPC.
       
"This is a good start," Alathon says, dashing my hopes of a quick game. "But I will need time to peruse the notes, time that the civilized kingdom does not have." He goes on to suggest that while he tries to figure out how to close the gate, we at least stop more daemons from joining the existing horde. The Kzzir, the ancient lizard-like people who were the first inhabitants of Hestor, built a barrier during their time that confined the daemons to Elsopea. If I want to activate it, I need to find the old Kzzir city of Yelda.
    
I'm not sure that your reaction sufficiently acknowledges that we just traversed the entire continent and back.
        
True to its name, Trade Town has a bunch of shops. There, I soon discover that most of the stuff I looted from the daemons in Elsopea has no value. No one wants to buy Doomblades, Daemon Axes, or Darkness Amulets. But I did make enough gold during my travels to upgrade everyone's armor to plate (the best I've found so far). I also sell about half of the reagents I've accumulated because I haven't found any recipes that use them. The manual only lists three potion recipes, and none of them use the reagents (e.g., blackroot, blackheart, lightning seed, diamond dust) that I've been finding.
     
The obvious place to go to learn about the location of Yelda is back to Joruli Point. I resist the idea for a while because I just came from there, but when I can't find any responses to "Yelda" in Trade Town or Dryleaf, I once again pay for passage. It pays off. Several scholars have something to say about it, though most of them just think that it's a legend. They tell me that Roberto Zildir, a scholar in Vorsai, has studied the Kzzir and might know something about the city. 
   
What do you suppose has to happen for someone to get the nickname "fiveshanks"?
            
We head south to Vorsai, which we visited before, and find our way to the Library of Vorsai, supposedly founded by Zildir. We don't find Zildir, and no one seems to know anything about him, but a scholar named Udo in the library tells us that a book called Examinations of Old Races gave hints as to the location of Yelda. They don't have a copy in the library, but there may be one in the private collection of Ludovic Gruber. I previously visited Gruber's house and stole a book about daemonology. There were hints that Gruber had gotten himself killed trying to summon a daemon.
        
No one is home in Gruber's manor, and there are no books, but there is a trap door that I don't remember from my last visit. It leads to a basement laboratory with smashed bottles everywhere and a summoning circle on the floor.
      
              
We soon run into a "lab daemon" who attacks us alone. I assume it's going to be an easy battle, but it turns out that none of our weapons can wound it, so we have to flee. This—as is one of the oddities of the game—makes the enemy completely disappear, allowing us to enter the door he was presumably guarding. 
        
Notice that the game itself can't decide between "demon" and "daemon," so don't get on my case.
        
There, on the floor, we find the book we came seeking. It has a different title, The Eldar Races, but it's clearly the same book. The author, Helmut Cooltag, says that he discovered Yelda on a visit to The Stumps. The Stumps is a region of hills south of The Wall and east of Dryleaf. There's a city there called Cooltag's Rest that seems like as good a place as any to start.
    
Cooltag's Rest is a town centered around a gold mine. I've been here before, chasing rumors of a demon in the mine. I thought it was a side quest at the time, but it soon becomes clear that it's part of the main quest. The town is, as always, too large and difficult to explore. Nonetheless, I again have to hand it to the author for his world-building. This is believably a mining town. There are barracks for miners and their families. There are cart tracks crisscrossing the town, and buildings explicitly dedicated for mining equipment, storage of mining carts, repair of mining carts, and storage of gold dust. I didn't mention it before, but there was a similar situation in Dryleaf, which is supposed to be a logging town, and has rivers with logs floating along (well, not "floating" because there's no animation, but you get the idea). If only there were more to do in these places.
      
The author thought of everything.
         
Everyone in Cooltag's Rest is talking about the closure of the mine, which apparently happened after the miners broke through to the third level and unleashed something horrid. The only other gossip is that the mine foreman, Johan Schultzmonger, is having an affair with Francisca Whiplash, a local prostitute. As for Helmut Cooltag, he was lost in the mine while "on the verge of a great discovery." 
    
I find Johan Schultzmonger in his office where he insists that he can't give me the key to the mine and that Francisca Whiplash and he are: "Aah, business associates. Yes, associates." Nonetheless, I must have rattled him, because when we end the conversation, he slips me the key.
        
You probably should have negotiated terms first, man.
       
We spend about half an hour wandering three unnecessarily large levels, connected by an elevator that does not scream "elevator" at first glance. There is absolutely nothing to do on these levels except follow track after track and hit dead end after dead end. There aren't even any nuggets to pick up.
     
This is the supposed elevator.
       
Finally, we find an illusory wall on Level 3. Just on the other side, we destroy a couple groups of stone guardians. The walls in this section are lined with what looks like computer equipment, but it's hard to tell. Past a few more battles, we find a heavy door. "The hinges on this heavy door have seized up," the game says. "Also the cistern that counterweighed the opening mechanism is empty." Attempting to pick the door just breaks my thieves' tools.
          
I'm having trouble picturing the mechanism here.
        
We had seen and ignored some lubricant and lead weights in the mining supply buildings, so I have to head all the way back there, grab some of both, and return. The two items do the job, and the door opens.
    
The ancient library beyond has one book on the floor, the diary of Helmut Cooltag, who was trapped here and decided to translate as many of the books as possible before he ran out of supplies or the stone guardians killed him. The book mentions the barrier that Alathon talked about. Known as the "Matrix Configuration," the barrier involved a beam of energy connected through five temples built into something called "Skull Mountains." They have to be activated in a certain order, and the first is on the island of Scaeth. I check the map, and Scaeith, or "Sgaith" as the map has it, is an island off the coast to the northeast. The closest mainland cities are Helm and Pestur's Wake.
      
I think The Matrix: Configuration was one of the sequels.
           
Desperately hoping I've hit 2,500 words by now, I do a check and find that I'm 700 short. Sighing, I retrace my steps out of the mines and head east. You understand that as I travel across the world, I'm eliding every night spent in camp, trying to rest, having to fight random battles (which at this point pose no threat at all; my characters basically kill enemies the moment they come in contact with them), and reloading after the game crashes, which it does just about every time I forget to exit an NPC screen via the "Control" menu rather than hitting ESC (which works reliably on every other screen). 
 
I intend to try Helm first, but for some reason, the game has me keep running into dozens of identical-looking NPCs in the wilderness. I try asking one about SCAETH, and he suggests that the way to get there is from Pestur's Wake. I thus head for the more northern city.
       
A random wilderness NPC.
        
You're sick of me saying this, but again Pestur's Wake is an obscenely large city with multiple walled keeps surrounded by pointless expanses of pavement and grassland. A large open-air market has a bunch of merchants who seem to sell one thing each. It takes us forever to find an inn that we desperately need, and once we find it, we discover that for some reason the "Buy/Sell" menu won't activate, so we can't stay there. 
      
Again, some fun world-building that's mostly wasted.
        
There are a number of shops, a mercenary guild, and a town hall. In the latter, we find Councilor Pestur, the ruler of the town, but he has nothing to offer. NPCs keep telling me that Scaeth is to the east but not how to get there. Practically every other NPC in town, when asked about themselves, says, "I am the master of this guild." I tell you, I'm not a fan of the proliferation of quest markers in modern games, but this is an RPG that needs them.
        
We are not in a guild. Maybe in this city, every person is her own guild?
             
Anyway, word count or no, I'm out of things to talk about. I can't find any leads in Pestur's Gate, so I'll try Helm next, unless I just abandon the game. I've already verified that the Internet does not need me to document its ending, and it's just starting to feel like a real slog.
       
Time so far: 25 hours 
 

44 comments:

  1. That author goes by the name "Helmut?" Cool tag!

    And I can't imagine we're any more sick of your reactions to the oversized cities than you are of experiencing them. It sounds like you have a right to complain!

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    1. Funny how the game continues to mix more fantasy-style names with those from different real-life countries/languages like Roberto (Italian/Spanish) or Udo & Helmut (German).

      It's been said before, but it's a pity the huge empty cities, missing pointers for buildings or by NPCs when it comes to quests plus the bugs ruin a game that seems to contain some good or at least promising elements, because they probably bit off more than they could chew.

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  2. Sometimes it takes more willpower to quit a game than to keep going out of sheer inertia.

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  3. A bit of pointless trivia: in Russian, "yelda" is an archaic moderately-obscene word for penis.

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    1. In slightly related pointlessness: when I saw the question "What do you suppose has to happen for someone to get the nickname "fiveshanks"? My answer was simple - he walks with two canes and is well endowed.

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    2. And "zelda" is a nintendo game without any moderately-obscene word for penis in it.

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    3. Even more pointless trivia: the standard German keyboard layout is almost identical to the standard QUERTY one - except the letters Z and Y are exchanged. So Zelda is also Yelda on a German keyboard (or vice versa).

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    4. Never mind "Fiveshanks," I want to know what a "Schultzmonger" sells.

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    5. "And "zelda" is a nintendo game without any moderately-obscene word for penis in it."

      Yet even more pointless: There is a more than modereately obscene hack for Zelda Link's Awakening that begins with Link finding his d*ck (sword) at the beach. Fun times were had by all.

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    6. @Link, the point is not what Zelda is; the point is that keeping the blog post up with what is a pretty obvious spelling of an obscene word for penis in Russian may have the blog misclassified by some algorithms.

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    7. dolme, dragos, druck

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    8. @randomgamer.... but point taken and delete my stupid messages if it helps the blog

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    9. @RG, it's extremely unlikely; the word's too archaic to get on any algorithm lists, especially in transliteration. I just thought the coincidence was funny.

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  4. Jesus died for our sins, you wrote very amusingly about boring to death games for our fun.

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  5. Welcome back. Yep, looks like this game is overstaying its welcome.

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    1. Legends says that whatever strategy Chet tries to go through historical years in less than one year, the three Fates themselves find a way to block his progression - this is a properly mythological curse.

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  6. The game doesn't appear to be anywhere close to its end, but the amount of bugs is already almost intolerable. It seems very clear that it was released in an incredibly unfinished state - so the question is, at which point should you no longer feel obligated to complete a game that its own developers didn't feel obligated to complete?

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    1. I wouldn't say the "bugs" are intolerable so much as just bad design choices.

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  7. OK, and now imagine a French player with some command of English playing this.

    You hit a wall of text essentially to get a fetch quest for a book in Tan-Endorith. The exact reasoning goes over your head.

    You find a clearly marked book in the middle of an empty city. You get this book back through a lot of trouble only to find that the quest giver move. You get to a quest giver to a completely random location where you may (or may not) get a hint to go to library, where you may (or may not) find a hit to go to some house, where you find that there's a new trap door on the floor. Then you fight a demon and get (or don't) a clue to another random city.

    You go to a random city where for some reason you need to butter up an official to get you a key. Then you enter mines and for some reason there's an elevator there, with dead body and notes. And then you are stuck.

    So, essentially, when you make "your own game", you don't want any walls of text (particularly since it's badly written in artificially advanced non-native language), you don't want parking lots of empty space, you want your game to be visual so that your demons look like demons - but, at the same time, you think that not-so-logical puzzle solutions and randomly appearing doors and elevators are "modern gaming design". Which, maybe, you want to tone down, but not get rid of completely, since that's what people want, right?

    So, see where Ishar II's design approach came from?

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    1. Would have been a great theory, had the kind of design philosophy that gave us Ishar not been present in French RPGs from the very start. Just re-read the entries on Mandragore (1985) and especially Drakkhen (1989).

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    2. As far as I understood Drakken entries, it is a conventionally design games with some elements ahead of its time, some - not well polished, but with an unconventional setting. The storytelling was quite conventional, as far as I understood. Chet's blot at the time was still trying to find its groove (as is evident from his failure to find east in a game where sun movement is simulated), so I take some of what he said with a grain of salt.

      Perhaps, I should try it myself.

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    3. PS. -- RandomGamer

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    4. Drakkhen, as one of the few classic crpgs I have beaten at the time (I loved its open world nature and the music), is a mess in lore, design, signposting and puzzles. You never really know when some environment is going to be used for puzzle solving and what's up with all that dragon stuff.

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  8. I am surprised that the elevator surprises you :) It is a rather good image of a hoisting cage imo, especially for the available amount of pixels. I did not find a photo of one from a similar perspective but https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Personenf%C3%B6rderkorb.jpg is a very similar real-life model.

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    1. To me, it looks like a menorah on top of an altar. But I don't hang around mines all that often, so I don't have a great grasp on what their elevators look like.

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    2. With your hint I can see a candelabrum on a marble block, too.
      Not sure how I would interpret the thing when seeing it for the first time in-game: as hoisting cage because it is a mine level or as altar because they are a typical feature of RPG dungeons.

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  9. For what it's worth, in Ancient Greek, where the word originated from, 'Daimon' never had a negative association but meant something along the lines of a 'divine presence among the living'.

    Again, Christianity ruined everything ;)

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    1. I wouldn't pin it on Christianity as much as on Judaism, since Gospels attribute the use of "daimon" equally to the non-Christian Jews in modern meaning.

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  10. A couple hints/pointers from walkthroughs in case you want/need them (in ROT13 where applicable):

    Missing leads in Pestur's Wake: Maybe this is/was a sequence breaker, so just in case:

    - Hint: Fbzrbar vf fhccbfrq gb oevat lbh gb gur Pbhapvyybe.

    - Spoiler: Bapr lbh tb vagb Crfghe'f Jnxr, lbh fubhyq or zrg ol n zrffratre sebz Pbhapvyybe Crfghe. Ur jvyy jnag lbh gb zrrg uvz va Oebbar'f Onar Vaa. Tb gurer, naq sbyybj gur zrffratre gb Crfghe. Nfx gur pbhapvyybe nobhg Fpnrgu. Ur jvyy gryy lbh gung ur jnagf lbh gb qb n zvffvba sbe uvz.

    Potion recipes / use of reagents:

    According to the manual, you should be able to learn recipes by talking to people. Maybe you've just missed some so far given the big empty world and many generic NPCs?

    Supposedly you can e.g. find ingredient lists for (some?) potions (for a price) in a place and building you've been to earlier in the game:

    - Hint: Vg'f va Gbezvf.

    - Spoiler: Va gur havirefvgl, orlbaq jurer lbh zrg Nevba Rqzhaqfba, gurer fubhyq or grnpuref jub pna gryy lbh nobhg qvssrerag guvatf vapyhqvat guvf.

    Random battles:

    Even though they are over quickly by now, I understand their amount is still a nuisance. Maybe you know and implement this already - there is apparently a factor in your party you can alter which is influencing their probability.

    Gur uvture gur punevfzn bs lbhe cnegl yrnqre (gur bar nccrnevat va gur obggbz evtug juvpu V haqrefgnaq lbh pna punatr, vg qbrf abg nyyjnlf unir gb or Thfgnihf), gur orggre yhpx lbh fubhyq unir nibvqvat pbzong rapbhagref va gur jvyq.

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  11. BTW, this is where plot-wise the game makes a very typical sin of mission creep.

    The main character is a captain of the guard whose mission was to learn news from Elsopian refugee. Around the time he found research notes, his mission would be to take the notes, the mage himself (if possible), and sneak back into the city with both. If any further action is needed, the decision will have to be mutual.

    Instead, he goes alone on a potential wild goose chase after secrets of lost civilization. What's more, he lets go of his very solid lead to pursue this wild goose chase.

    Not to mention that the mission is already compromised, since there is a conspiracy already in place to get rid of Donovan, with heads of state participating in it.

    --- RandomGamer

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    1. From the manual, Gustavus's mission is to find information about the demon invasion and to "act appropriately on upon this information".

      It doesn't seem to me a chain of events more unlikely than many similar titles; this game has enough flaws as it is...

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  13. Ask Councillor Pestur about Essam, the city which lies on the Isle of Scaeth.

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  14. I wonder if Miss Whiplash considered any other careers, or just decided not to resist the forces of nominative determinism?

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    1. She could have been a racing driver.

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    2. Being a British 90s teenager, seeing "Whiplash" as a surname in a game from the early 90s feels like a zeitgeist thing.

      A certain person using "Miss Whiplash" as her business name was very prominent in the news in the early 90s thanks to the media circus around her bankruptcy proceedings and her attempt to get the Inland Revenue prosecuted for living off immoral earnings.

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    3. A "certain person" being Lindi St Clair. Why be so coy about about it?

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  15. I'm surprised to see you hear the ending is documented. I was half-expecting the game to become unwinnable due to some minor bug, along the lines of your innkeeper failing to shop.

    I didn't mind giant cities so much in Daggerfall because you knew you could ignore most of it as dressing. Morrowind's Balmora is probably one of the better, larger size towns.

    I somewhat like the proliferation of clues in this. If the cities were smaller, and these clues were more in parallel, you might have a good Magic Candle style research RPG on your hands. As it is, it's a linear slog trying to hunt for the next trigger.

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  16. After reading a walktrough this seems like a complete slog to finish, and almost half the game is still there.

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