tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post7679508791755587245..comments2024-03-29T02:34:55.592-04:00Comments on The CRPG Addict: Game 161: The Stone of Telnyr (1990)CRPG Addicthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-80639779929632357222016-01-19T21:20:09.733-05:002016-01-19T21:20:09.733-05:00"The fucker has to smell you out."? Dafu..."The fucker has to smell you out."? Dafuq?Kenny McCormickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553499727945099493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-19187006242526664482016-01-19T14:03:26.890-05:002016-01-19T14:03:26.890-05:00I guess here is as good as any place to start... I...I guess here is as good as any place to start... I found links...<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoadstarKeighnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05729875531199535433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-40670693446367224112016-01-19T13:55:12.368-05:002016-01-19T13:55:12.368-05:00Was there much for documentation for this and the ...Was there much for documentation for this and the sequel games?Keighnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05729875531199535433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-5296209998334471132014-08-28T16:40:33.321-04:002014-08-28T16:40:33.321-04:00Wumpicide sounds like a perfectly adequate main qu...Wumpicide sounds like a perfectly adequate main quest for an early '80s Speccy game. It worked for Wizard's Castle.Gaguumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-61551518357570044632014-08-27T21:36:50.918-04:002014-08-27T21:36:50.918-04:00I have been peeking ahead. I figure that the best ...I have been peeking ahead. I figure that the best favor we could do for you is find games for you NOT to play from your list, but sadly I failed in that. But a few notes for you anyway:<br /><br />Adventure (as well as Adventure 2, 3, and 4) seem to have been released at least prior to Dec 1982. The first advertisement I can find is Dec '82 and that is for a combo pack with all four games so it must be dated prior to that. I am finding the Spectrum emulators to be very picky and I can only get some games working when I select the NTSC version of the 48K. <br /><br />I searched strings in Adventure and one of the lines of text in the game is "The fucker has to smell you out." and I am fairly certain that is worth bonus points right there.<br /><br />"Secret Valley" and "Cells and Serpents" both appear to be proto-RPGs and the latter is not that bad, sort of a RPG and "Hunt the Wumpus" hybrid. On the upshot, I do not think either have main quests so you can be done with them quickly...<br /><br />Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-13202313835242659652014-08-27T08:05:09.717-04:002014-08-27T08:05:09.717-04:00It seems that around 1989/90 the Ultima series def...It seems that around 1989/90 the Ultima series definitely ascended to "legendary" status, with all those clones.Alexander Sebastian Schulzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15135338616598357444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-24288970006239914112014-08-27T06:30:16.738-04:002014-08-27T06:30:16.738-04:00It's funny how Wizardry clones were usually tr...It's funny how Wizardry clones were usually trying to do something differently, while Ultima ones only tried to imitate the original as close as possible.VKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-51824106252260368802014-08-26T15:08:15.671-04:002014-08-26T15:08:15.671-04:00Wow, these are about as Ultima II clone-y as you c...Wow, these are about as <i>Ultima II</i> clone-y as you can get.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-74317122508857527452014-08-26T12:26:33.466-04:002014-08-26T12:26:33.466-04:00More games for the Addict ;-). Not only Wraith, bu...More games for the Addict ;-). Not only Wraith, but also Shadowforge, a 1989 game, and also an Ultima clone, judging from this video:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7py_FGQ5tU<br /><br />Also:<br />http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/games-forum/show/452Alexander Sebastian Schulzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15135338616598357444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-71608253818942664952014-08-26T11:44:45.449-04:002014-08-26T11:44:45.449-04:00Reminds me of another 1990 Ultima-like for the App...Reminds me of another 1990 Ultima-like for the Apple II: Wraith. While the game itself is obscure, the author (John Carmack) is a bit better known.Nathanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13655661049253936542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-6431080479916490202014-08-26T11:01:50.595-04:002014-08-26T11:01:50.595-04:00I probably could have discussed that aspect of com...I probably could have discussed that aspect of combat in more detail, but like you, I wasn't 100% sure that I had it right. I guess your PC always goes first and, yes, attacks the enemies one at a time. Towards the end of the game, against 6 "rogues," I might easily complete the combat without them getting in a single hit.<br /><br />The dungeon creatures are tough enough that they can almost always strike you once or twice no matter what weapon you have.<br /><br />According to the manual "Confuse" makes the enemies less likely to hit. Obviously, that's a tough thing to assess without seeing the combat rolls. "Banish" is so obviously the better spell that it's worth saving for one of those instead of three "Confuses."CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-41484612731867593302014-08-26T10:59:05.947-04:002014-08-26T10:59:05.947-04:00Independent games tend to look about 5-7 years old...Independent games tend to look about 5-7 years older that the current state of the technology. CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-34864841788160048092014-08-26T08:24:37.650-04:002014-08-26T08:24:37.650-04:00You just like to take away all my fun. :)
Fine. I...You just like to take away all my fun. :)<br /><br />Fine. I will just go back to playing "Secret of the Silver Blades" instead in preparation for your adventure in a week or two. Not a bad game so far, but a bit sparse in places.Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-80358708825767151032014-08-26T04:02:55.720-04:002014-08-26T04:02:55.720-04:00Considering the graphical quality of c64 games at ...Considering the graphical quality of c64 games at the 90's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_of_the_Crown was released as early as -86) that game looks like a throwback to early days.Petri R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-82783046728533135252014-08-26T02:57:07.379-04:002014-08-26T02:57:07.379-04:00Confuse makes enemies lose turns, I think 4?
It ...Confuse makes enemies lose turns, I think 4? <br /><br />It was interesting that the enemies don't mob you, but attack one at a time, so it's a series of duels. If you can kill each enemy in one attack, and provided you don't miss, you could hope to exit a battle with many enemies unscathed. So, confuse can be useful if you need 4 turns to kill two enemies, and strength is useful if you want to kill quicker, so on.<br /><br />I might be wrong about any of the above, I didn't pay *that* much attention to beat it.Helmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-5734782333421674232014-08-26T02:34:19.516-04:002014-08-26T02:34:19.516-04:00Based on the comment below and the rest of the evi...Based on the comment below and the rest of the evidence, I think we can regard the <i>Loadstar</i> publications as having occurred after the games' initial releases.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-8870370742388207282014-08-26T02:33:49.438-04:002014-08-26T02:33:49.438-04:00Thanks for confirming that, and for finding this i...Thanks for confirming that, and for finding this index. This confuses the timeline even more. It's hard to believe that Boothman wrote the game in 1990 and waited 10 years to publish it through a diskmag, especially where the "crack" notice in the first game has a "copyright" of 1995 and references the other three games.<br /><br />So my guess is Boothman wrote them all before 1995, distributed them as freeware for years, and then offered them for <i>Loadstar</i> publication in the 2000s. I guess I'll move Telnyr 2 to 1992 and Telnyr 3 to 1994, which represent my best estimates based on all the evidence.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-11118053905159274802014-08-26T02:20:23.206-04:002014-08-26T02:20:23.206-04:00The loadstar publications of the Telnyr trilogy in...The loadstar publications of the Telnyr trilogy indeed appeared in issues 191, 192, and 193. Based on the copyright notes in those disk magazines, they came out in year 2000. Downloads are at ftp://cbm8bit.com/coverdisks/loadstar/. I would suggest getting the unified .zip file instead of the multiple disk sides, to avoid disk swapping fun. That gives a .d81 file; set VICE emulator to have a 1581 drive and autostart it. That should get you into the loadstar menu, where you can read the documentation and launch the games under "funware". The games themselves must have existed for some time before that, apparently without formal publication. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-7620323063315747212014-08-26T01:10:26.784-04:002014-08-26T01:10:26.784-04:00I think we should be able to get the correct dates...I think we should be able to get the correct dates for Telnyr 2 and 3, but it will take some volunteers and some time. Anyone interested?<br /><br />Here is a partial set of load star disk images: http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/arnold.c64.org/pub/magazines/LoadStar<br /><br />We'd need to download each one and load "*" on each in a C64 emulator to see the menus. There might be a better way to do it. ("strings", for example, seems to work but I do not clearly see a menu) If we find the one that has Telnyr 2 or 3 on it, we can get the correct release dates.<br /><br />Sadly, since that is not a complete set then it could be all for nothing.<br /><br />Next best option seems to be to buy a CD of them that someone is selling that professes to be a complete set. (http://www.ramblehouse.com/loadstarcompleat.htm) It's $24 and if someone can get the guy's email address, he might be willing to donate one for the cause... but it's too rich for my blood.<br /><br />I suspect there is some document there that tells which games are on which disk images, but barring that then the same process would apply.<br /><br />There is a related publication called "Loadstar Letter" which you can read on Archive.org (https://archive.org/details/loadstarletter) and it is possible that one of the issues mentions Telnyr 2/3 and that would give us a better date, but I manually searched around 10 issues over the full publication period and it never showed up in any of the ads or game lists. Bit of a long shot as I suspect that Telnyr did not make their "best of" collections.<br /><br />Not that I think it matters so much to get the year, but this seems like a fun challenge...<br /><br />I'm going to pop an email to the guy that sells the CD collection and see if he has a list of what is on what disks...<br />Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.com