tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post2291462351016361029..comments2024-03-29T02:34:55.592-04:00Comments on The CRPG Addict: Dungeon Master II: Outdoor Neophytes IVCRPG Addicthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-76736692133267401902022-08-29T10:04:02.842-04:002022-08-29T10:04:02.842-04:00Okay, but that the magic system is not just hard t...Okay, but that the magic system is not just hard to figure out, but also largely unnecessary is not really a compliment to the design...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-43337929000549957612022-08-29T09:52:07.253-04:002022-08-29T09:52:07.253-04:00The closest thing this game has to essential spell...The closest thing this game has to essential spells can all be replicated by casting formulas found on magic items. That being said no spell is really necessary to solve any puzzles or finish the game, and it's totally viable to complete DM2 casting only basic light and healing potion spells.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-64789714253540804272022-08-29T09:01:15.342-04:002022-08-29T09:01:15.342-04:00V nyjnlf pnyyrq gurz orrs-fgrnx zbafgref.V nyjnlf pnyyrq gurz orrs-fgrnx zbafgref.ken Bruhttps://kejabrsoftware.wixsite.com/kejabr-softwarenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-15812426043993437752022-08-29T03:44:46.254-04:002022-08-29T03:44:46.254-04:00It doesn't feel like "experimentation&quo...It doesn't feel like "experimentation" to me if you just have to try all combinations one-by-one since there's no rhyme or reason as to which ones work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-58285089638280468082022-08-29T03:06:47.123-04:002022-08-29T03:06:47.123-04:00I had the same "tripping up" experience,...I had the same "tripping up" experience, and I have to admit the awkward control schema kept me from going far in this game (and its predecessor) and led me to play Lands of Lore instead.Radianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03866535042372152723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-83917558161885378502022-08-28T09:17:33.490-04:002022-08-28T09:17:33.490-04:00"The game does a couple of things that are in..."The game does a couple of things that are internally consistent but nonetheless keep tripping me up. First, the movement panel buttons are mapped to the 4, 5, 6 and 1, 2, 3 rows on the numberpad; the top row does nothing. Second, the game has the strafe buttons below the turn buttons. Both choices work against muscle memory developed from dozens of other RPGs."<br /><br />That's understandably frustrating. It's still a while until most games allow re-mapping the keyboard keys. It's also possible to re-map the keys in DosBox, but my understanding is that you try to play with the original key mapping. This movement key layout is the same as in Eye of the Beholder, though, isn't it? (Except that it is placed one row lower.)<br /><br />"I also have trouble remembering that I want to click on the character's hand to attack, not right-click."<br /><br />This is similar to what happened later on with RTS games. The progenitors (Dungeon Master, Dune II / Command and Conquer) used left-clicking for attacking / giving an order, then the rivals (Eye of the Beholder, WarCraft II) established right-clicking for attacking / giving an order. What were the developers of the progenitors' sequels (DM 2, the next Command and Conquer game) supposed to do, use the UI conventions of their rivals? That would annoy their own fans.Bitmapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-84862414676130477102022-08-28T08:09:08.621-04:002022-08-28T08:09:08.621-04:00Are you sure that there are essential spells that ...Are you sure that there are essential spells that the game never tells the player about? And that knowledge of the first game, or systematic experimentation with the spell runes, is necessary? I'm sceptical -- that would be a potentially severe design flaw.<br /><br />I think that it's cool that players can find "undocumented" spells by systematic experimentation, but I think that it would be too demanding to require players to find essential spells this way.<br /><br />Possible alternative explanation: While DM 1 showed most spell combinations in scrolls that could be found in the dungeon, maybe DM 2 requires the player to deduce spell combinations from the names and icons of magical items. The manual encourages the player to do this on page 44.<br /><br />Back then I used my notes from DM 1 when playing DM 2, so I couldn't have noticed this. Chet might run into these situations, since he only remembers the fireball spell. We'll see.<br /><br />I think there's the possibility that this is a misunderstanding, and it might have come about like this: You played DM 2 and encountered a situation A where you realized that you need spell X that you remember from DM 1, which the game didn't teach yet, and thought, "hey, DM 2 requires knowledge from the first game!" Later on while playing DM 2, in a different area, you find an item from which the player is supposed to be able to deduce this spell X. A player without knowledge from DM 1 could have reached this place, deduced the spell X from the item, and then could have solved situation A. Since you already knew the spell, you didn't realize that this item contained a clue that a fresh player needs.<br /><br />Since DM 2 is otherwise a pretty well-designed game, I hope that this is the case.<br /><br />(But there is some sloppiness visible in the manual, at least. The whole section with technical instructions -- installation, sound configuration, etc., which manuals of DOS games usually have -- is merely a placeholder: "Ye Olde Technical Details: In order to fully realize your quest, the great Magickal box that connects your world with Zalk must first be properly fed. The TechMages recommend... more in this vein from I-play." That's all. That last sentence must have been an instruction for the publisher Interplay to complete this section.)Bitmapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-72376021336141122582022-08-28T06:23:38.594-04:002022-08-28T06:23:38.594-04:00There are some new spells - but I think only about...There are some new spells - but I think only about 4 -but you need some knowledge from the first game (There were some spells in DM 1 that are superflous now, but the Light, health potion and fighting incorpereol beings like tornadoes are a must IIRC)Peernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-27008467982148421662022-08-27T20:48:11.549-04:002022-08-27T20:48:11.549-04:00And its ksmb but the last times I tried to put it ...And its ksmb but the last times I tried to put it in as name it changed it to anonymous Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-69261866961379826032022-08-27T20:46:05.426-04:002022-08-27T20:46:05.426-04:00Yeah sorry for that I didn't really think abou...Yeah sorry for that I didn't really think about how rude my last comment would be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-86852883293524114342022-08-27T15:59:36.277-04:002022-08-27T15:59:36.277-04:00I definitely meant barter. You don't have to u...I definitely meant barter. You don't have to use coins to trade you can put something down of lower value that the item you are attempting to purchaseSaurbaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14956178611738736867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-24614470753652299342022-08-27T14:03:56.426-04:002022-08-27T14:03:56.426-04:00Insults, too? How charming!Insults, too? How charming!AlphabeticalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-77157755809242817032022-08-27T10:40:43.333-04:002022-08-27T10:40:43.333-04:00On spells:
Crefbanyyl va QZ2 jung V fcnzzrq zbfg ...On spells:<br /><br />Crefbanyyl va QZ2 jung V fcnzzrq zbfg jnf Nhen bs Fgeratgu, n cevrfg fcryy. V erzrzore V fcrag nyy bs Punbf Fgevxrf Onpx "uvtu" ba Xh cbgvbaf gb envfr gur fgeratgu bs zl punengref, gb onfvpnyyl olcnff gur naablvat raphzorenapr flfgrz. Vg jnf pbairavrag, fvapr gur qhengvba bs gur rssrpg jnf ybatre guna gur gvzr vg gbbx znan gb ertra fb lbh pbhyq xrrc vg creznarag. Fnzr guvat urer, ohg vg'f rnfvre orpnhfr lbh qba'g arrq qb qevax synfxf.Georgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10801694109856585537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-11591459063244030272022-08-27T04:34:52.315-04:002022-08-27T04:34:52.315-04:00Killing the bullceratopses jvyy fbyir bar bs lbhe ...Killing the bullceratopses jvyy fbyir bar bs lbhe vffhrf: uhatrePedro Q.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03572150497835442981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-67489209032170444052022-08-27T02:26:12.309-04:002022-08-27T02:26:12.309-04:00Don't worry about using spell formulas from th...Don't worry about using spell formulas from the first game - Dungeon Master 2 barely tells you what runes are used to cast which spells. I guess the devs just assumed you'd already know how to cast spells, either from playing the first game or reading a walkthrough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-16208528849713293982022-08-27T01:40:11.165-04:002022-08-27T01:40:11.165-04:00It's good for repeat players that the spells a...It's good for repeat players that the spells are the same as in the first; but it's bad design to require the players to remember each spell's runes in the first place. It looks like it's entirely arbitrary which rune combos are a spell and which are not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-76667425543455218642022-08-27T01:30:43.221-04:002022-08-27T01:30:43.221-04:00I like that you play this after the same amount of...I like that you play this after the same amount of time we others had to wait between dm1 and dm2 so blogging in retrorealtimePorlunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-52293878958842579992022-08-27T01:24:15.870-04:002022-08-27T01:24:15.870-04:00English is a strange language and excelling in Eng...English is a strange language and excelling in English grammar makes you "special"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-49614379894830466542022-08-26T21:11:01.993-04:002022-08-26T21:11:01.993-04:00It has the same spells, except for some reason Mag...It has the same spells, except for some reason Magic Footprints didn't work. Although I rarely used it, the loss annoyed me as it was a pretty cool spell.<br /><br />However, DM2 also has some new spells that actually come to dominate the wizardry sphere somewhat. I'll leave them for Chet to discover.Gerry Quinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04078394659680797175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-10409344030638762232022-08-26T19:20:15.724-04:002022-08-26T19:20:15.724-04:00IIRC you can re-close the gates between the areas ...IIRC you can re-close the gates between the areas to stop the monsters from running completely amok.Oqlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-60416419957352599702022-08-26T17:42:36.733-04:002022-08-26T17:42:36.733-04:00It sounds like you might mean 'bargain,' n...It sounds like you might mean 'bargain,' not barter. AlphabeticalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-9567617835695884962022-08-26T17:22:44.197-04:002022-08-26T17:22:44.197-04:00When you are purchasing you can even barter. Put d...When you are purchasing you can even barter. Put down a few less coins than the asking price and he'll think about it and might sell at a discount.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-41194157837499525782022-08-26T16:54:25.816-04:002022-08-26T16:54:25.816-04:00"I also sold some excess daggers to the weapo..."I also sold some excess daggers to the weapon shop and bought a sword. I kind of like the little animation where the shopkeeper spins the table to give you your item and your change, which you have to pick up, coin by coin."<br /><br />I know the shopping system is described in the manual, which you've probably read already, but as I've picked up the game this week too, I thought it'd be worth a reminder that it's possible to sell multiple items at once (as long as they match the vendor's type: you drop them on the table one by one, keeping the vendor away by side-stepping) and you can place the money box on the table too (the vendor will directly put your coins into it, and convert the leftovers to the higher coins categories). That makes the system less cumbersome as you don't need to take coins and place them into the money box manually for every single sold item.Nyastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-69667621446065120652022-08-26T16:03:59.804-04:002022-08-26T16:03:59.804-04:00I'm not a fan of the cartoonish appearance of ...I'm not a fan of the cartoonish appearance of the enemies, as opposed to the dark and moody outside environment.<br /><br />This inital part to me felt kind of weird and quite different from past games, due to the AI, as you mentioned, to the environment being so open and the rapid respawning.Vincenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-53182916358316076732022-08-26T15:19:48.988-04:002022-08-26T15:19:48.988-04:00"I don't know whether the tornadoes here ..."I don't know whether the tornadoes here are enemies or natural phenomena. If they're enemies, they must require special weapons to defeat, as they didn't seem to respond to any of my attacks or my fireballs."<br /><br />Haven't played DM2, but I guess they are Air Elementals. In DM and CSB Fire Elementals and Water Elementals only took serious damage from a Vorpal Blade. IIRC there was also a Vorpal spell.POnoreply@blogger.com