tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post7772815678651441635..comments2024-03-29T10:21:29.354-04:00Comments on The CRPG Addict: The Earliest CRPGsCRPG Addicthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-5127590052101233272021-02-09T16:27:21.161-05:002021-02-09T16:27:21.161-05:00The rest of it may be okay, but his coverage of RP...The rest of it may be okay, but his coverage of RPGs on PLATO is hopelessly muddled. He conflates DND and Avatar, which are two separate games four years apart, and has them a year too early.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-48490682205109610042021-02-09T15:23:00.858-05:002021-02-09T15:23:00.858-05:00I found https://www.raphkoster.com/games/the-onlin...I found https://www.raphkoster.com/games/the-online-world-timeline/ to be a pretty interesting timeline that touches on some early CRPG influences. Zack Macomberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18077050078436768492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-20132572241049453682016-11-01T00:51:37.693-04:002016-11-01T00:51:37.693-04:00PLATO program names are unique. Once you create a...PLATO program names are unique. Once you create a lesson space (which can hold a program), the name is very long-lived. Most of the early dungeon games were written in bootleg lesson spaces, because you could not personally create a lesson space and creating lesson spaces for games was frowned upon. Therefore, pedit5 I am sure was the 5th in a series of lesson spaces pedit1, pedit2, pedit3, pedit4, pedit5. I personally wrote my game in a bootleg lesson space called 'cryo2' which a friend acquired but then he 'willed' to me when he decided he would not write anything. Later after it succeeded some good natured course administrator created an 'nsorcery' lesson space because the 'sorcery' name was taken (probably by robert woodhead).systemBuilderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07471017185445153023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-18732568627082417242015-07-20T21:32:17.562-04:002015-07-20T21:32:17.562-04:00I don't find the specific melody memorable, bu...I don't find the specific melody memorable, but I love the style. It has a strong post-Dixieland New Orleans vibe, in which several instruments take turns at solos. If I heard it in a club, I wouldn't leave.<br /><br />I Googled the origins, of course. It's great that some games have this level of composition. Do you know what I'd do if I encountered this music during a game itself? Probably turn it off.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-53805529360675521542015-07-20T13:02:28.971-04:002015-07-20T13:02:28.971-04:00As a jazz fan, what do you think of https://www.yo...As a jazz fan, what do you think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-22190481732136409112014-12-28T22:52:12.914-05:002014-12-28T22:52:12.914-05:00The Atari 2600 had Dragonstomper. Probably the fir...The Atari 2600 had Dragonstomper. Probably the first console RPG.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-52594343640027917862012-10-22T13:32:01.223-04:002012-10-22T13:32:01.223-04:00That's the key, isn't it? For all we know,...That's the key, isn't it? For all we know, role-playing goes back to ancient times. But while D&D was not the first role-playing game, it is almost incontrovertibly the first role-playing game on which a COMPUTER version was based.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-57928718316069033592012-10-20T15:46:51.124-04:002012-10-20T15:46:51.124-04:00Though the argument is still uncertain as to how f...Though the argument is still uncertain as to how far back role-playing might go, the idea of a central figure organizing free play for a group each representing an individual character starts before Dungeons & Dragons, with David Wesely's Braunstein and Dave Arneson as a player in his game representing the most immediate precursor, and Mike Korns' 1966 "Modern War in Miniature" being the first identifiable source where a "judge" mediates something approximating adventures with individual characters (both mentioned here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/days-of-high-adventure/6910-Founding-Fathers.2 <br /><br />I do not want you to think I find it particularly likely that either of these proto-D&D experiences inspired a primitive mainframe game of their own, mind you, but as an amateur gaming historian these are the sorts of things I think about all the time, haha.<br /><br />Great article!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-80314788975758133192012-09-04T22:03:41.449-04:002012-09-04T22:03:41.449-04:00John, I wrote about the Plato dnd a few months lat...John, I wrote about the Plato dnd a few months later:<br /><br />http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/2012/02/game-69-game-of-dungeonsdnd-1975.html<br /><br />I didn't get so much into the Pellet/Lawrence thing. Right now, Dirk Pellett's history is only available on Cyber1, and although I took screen shots, I don't feel write publishing it to the Internet since a) it's not my work; and b) Dirk indicated he'd changed his mind about certain aspects of it.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-15791065004404069582012-09-04T06:47:22.809-04:002012-09-04T06:47:22.809-04:00Any idea of when then Plato dnd article will be ou...<br />Any idea of when then Plato dnd article will be out? I'm interested in seeing Mr Pellett's comments on the Dan Lawrence DND version.John H. Reinhardthttp://www.facebook.com/JohnHReinhardtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-73322950687654675782012-01-06T01:53:22.036-05:002012-01-06T01:53:22.036-05:00That sounds like what I was talking about with my ...That sounds like what I was talking about with my remembrance of <i>Space Invaders</i> last year. I remember doing this all the time when I was a kid. But imagination isn't the same thing as taste. When I get bored and play solitaire, I sometimes imagine I'm on a TV show called the <i>World Solitaire Championships</i> and an announcer is narrating my plays ("Wow, Bob, I thought he was NEVER going to notice the three of hearts. Great last minute save!"), but that doesn't mean the game itself is high art.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-76449794810537344642011-12-30T17:00:51.452-05:002011-12-30T17:00:51.452-05:00I'm not sure about that SirFWALGMan: Read http...I'm not sure about that SirFWALGMan: Read http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/12/how-atari-games-showed-me-the-power-of-childrens-imagination.ars and tell me that isn't awesome, despite the Atari 2600 being terrible (No cRPGs level terrible!)Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-8045737065359621982011-12-30T15:52:13.296-05:002011-12-30T15:52:13.296-05:00I honestly really enjoy your blog and was just giv...I honestly really enjoy your blog and was just giving you crap. What a 7th grader thinks is awesome at the beginning of the home computer age and what is actually awesome are probably two different things.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-32722507444179275722011-12-30T01:22:54.353-05:002011-12-30T01:22:54.353-05:00I added a brief note above, but I'm going to s...I added a brief note above, but I'm going to save Dirk Pellett's comments for when I post on <i>dnd</i> soon.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-88892747501587833192011-12-29T23:36:15.121-05:002011-12-29T23:36:15.121-05:00Stormfront Studios? They only made my favorite gam...Stormfront Studios? They only made my favorite game of all time, Stronghold. I never knew the company was formed by someone with such history though. Too bad Stronghold really isn't a RPG at all. <br /><br />Nowadays Stormfront is likely to get you a white supremacist site and Stronghold will get you that other game. Sad.Raifieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08478524519453417677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-21969448724734373772011-12-29T21:39:11.945-05:002011-12-29T21:39:11.945-05:00Perfectly hilarious reply, CA, and thanks. When y...Perfectly hilarious reply, CA, and thanks. When you gonna give the goods on that Dirk Pellet interview?<br /><br />Also, is my little investigation just a dead end or will you look into it when you get around 1992?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-79936261157558899232011-12-29T14:21:15.387-05:002011-12-29T14:21:15.387-05:00This is a very interesting article. Thanks.
I'...This is a very interesting article. Thanks.<br /><br />I'm looking forward to the second part.Nikolajnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-64133280407400245352011-12-29T13:13:45.580-05:002011-12-29T13:13:45.580-05:00Oh, hell. I didn't realize what you were talki...Oh, hell. I didn't realize what you were talking about the first time. Hey, to my my mind, "Computer Playing-Role Games" is a better name anyway.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-6115864968513168982011-12-29T00:02:43.076-05:002011-12-29T00:02:43.076-05:00Argh...Edit the post name. It's driving me nu...Argh...Edit the post name. It's driving me nuts.<br /><br />Also, can't wait to hear what Dirk Pellet had to ssay. I had a similar experience on RPG Codex.<br /><br />In a discussion on what killed Sir-Tech information came about from Cleve Blakemore that he and a Mode-X programmer (grafics engineer? I don't remember) named Michael Shamgar and a team in Australia were commissioned to create Wizardry 8: Stones of Arnhem back in 1991-1992. <br /><br />According to Cleve it was going to be very homosexual themed (an asshole monster and a penisaurus would be hilarious low-brow commedy anywhere). Also, the Sirotec brothers (assuming this is all real) went through a great deal to cover this up to the point that the only mention you can find of the game are a Google search (with probably only heresay), an archive of the Codex thread (too bad the actual site has just died) foun here: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/why-did-sir-tech-go-bankrupt.53695/page-27<br /><br />*Note: On this page is the email I got back from Shamgar when I went to investigate this (yes, the second name of my avatar is a stupid pun).<br /><br />,and the site where I found virtually the only other place on the web mentioning Stones of Arnhem (look at the 02 August 2009 post by Shams):<br /><br />http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/4628/wizardry-the-dungeon-of-captured-souls-announced-for-ps3/<br /><br />Thought this might interest you to help me dig some more CA (AGAIN [sic]-check your post-name, MAN!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-67662943851753581102011-12-28T20:12:01.855-05:002011-12-28T20:12:01.855-05:00Just to let you know, Don Daglow*, a well known in...Just to let you know, Don Daglow*, a well known industry figure, apparently created an RPG in 1975/1976 for the PDP-10 called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_(computer_game)" rel="nofollow">Dungeon</a>. Even though it appears as if no one on Earth has played it, it seems to have been party-based before any others, especially if the early versions of Oubliette are, as you point out, single character affairs. This would probably make it the first party-based CRPG.<br /><br />I've looked around on the net for it numerous times and I can't find anything. It would be very interesting to play, I'm sure.<br /><br />* If you recognise the name it's probably because he founded Stormfront Studios in 1988 and developed three Gold Box games for SSI, which I'm sure you'll get to in a few years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-1537718261418884632011-12-28T13:46:58.536-05:002011-12-28T13:46:58.536-05:00Yeah, I guess I agree with that.Yeah, I guess I agree with that.killias2https://www.blogger.com/profile/00398131197947456691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-81225669013521194822011-12-28T12:15:48.108-05:002011-12-28T12:15:48.108-05:00Isometric is in fact the wrong term: Isometric str...Isometric is in fact the wrong term: Isometric strictly refers to the 3/4s view you get from behind and above the characters, as if you were looking down an isosceles triangle at them. I think iconographic works as well as any term, since it is a top-down view that uses icons.Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-39458108544144037342011-12-28T11:09:18.748-05:002011-12-28T11:09:18.748-05:00Dear CRPG addict:
This is a wonderful post. It fe...Dear CRPG addict:<br /><br />This is a wonderful post. It feels like an archeological treatise. It is interesting that both top down and forward view games were started this early. <br /><br />Could we say that Isometric and First person view is the great divide in CRPGs?<br /><br />Thank youJJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-56864628190335028462011-12-28T05:20:34.773-05:002011-12-28T05:20:34.773-05:00HunterZ, Cyber1 is a site where you can get an acc...HunterZ, Cyber1 is a site where you can get an account to access PLATO via terminal emulation. You can get there at http://www.cyber1.org. I don't know if they're keen to have a host of new members seeking to play <i>dnd</i>, so please don't give them my name.<br /><br />Killias, it was frankly probably stupid of me to designate my own terminology, But I see a fundamental difference between the isometric rendering of <i>Faery Tale Adventure</i> or <i>Ultima VII</i> or the Infinity Engine games versus the what-I'm-calling-iconographic displayes of <i>Ultima IV</i> and <i>V</i>. If the industry already uses better terminology to distinguish these, I should adhere to it, but I have to research it first.<br /><br />GMan, granted I didn't give <i>Telengard</i> a rave review, but I didn't hate it at all. I just didn't see a lot of point to it with no way to win and thousands of games on my list. I thought I gave it a pretty fair shake!<br /><br />Thanks to reader Eugene Hung, I heard from Dirk Pellett within hours of posting this entry, and he had some enlightening stuff to contribute. I'll follow up with a second posting when I get settled back in from my holiday break.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-50792472287745374182011-12-27T16:59:36.364-05:002011-12-27T16:59:36.364-05:00HOW DARE YOU HATE TELENGARD! I SHALL NEVER READ YO...HOW DARE YOU HATE TELENGARD! I SHALL NEVER READ YOUR BLOG AGAIN!<br /><br />haha just kidding! Wow! I must have some weird ass fond memories of the game.. I played it on the C64 also.. I think it was the second game I ever played. I do not remember it looking that bad. Wow though that was my favorite game in my childhood memories alongside Bards Tale and some TI994A game I forget the name of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnels_of_Doom). <br /><br />Also another one I barely remember from youth.. you had a party and they started out in some graveyard with skeletons all around... heh, maybe I will see another post which triggers my memory of the game..SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.com