tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post6178177976532928359..comments2024-03-28T07:13:19.910-04:00Comments on The CRPG Addict: Ultima Underworld II: Won! CRPG Addicthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-49246301292050621962022-09-18T11:09:18.854-04:002022-09-18T11:09:18.854-04:00Smite enemy is devastating - if you don't mind...Smite enemy is devastating - if you don't mind napping a lot (or have a lot of mushrooms), I got good mileage out of it. Summon Daemon was indeed great for gaining exp. The longsword of stone strike was indeed utterly broken :) I had to enforce rules on future playthroughs to not use it. What else... Oh yeah, I think Nystul accepted '4am' as an answer - there were at least a few things you could say to get things moving IIRC...Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17706277522752281968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-87373991807196456602022-06-25T20:58:05.709-04:002022-06-25T20:58:05.709-04:00Yeah those are far more dating sims than RPGs, it&...Yeah those are far more dating sims than RPGs, it's not that uncommon for dating sims to have RPG elementsTwibathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872080022551062309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-2080585144682524492022-06-25T18:57:22.158-04:002022-06-25T18:57:22.158-04:00Magic is mostly for utility in the Magical Diary s...Magic is mostly for utility in the Magical Diary series, though they are only slightly RPG in the first place. Whinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03211731698182417270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-7566661637519690742022-06-24T16:00:02.532-04:002022-06-24T16:00:02.532-04:00I only mentioned the similarities, not to say that...I only mentioned the similarities, not to say that they're identical, or that the plot was necessarily stolen, but because I distinctly remember noticing them at the time and making the comparison. All the similarities I listed are certainly present, within a larger adventure anthology which has tons of content, including I believe the first published module featuring planar travel (the 1980 finale Queen of the Demonweb Pits). <br /><br />Anon, your link goes to examples of domed cities, e.g. underwater cities which need a dome to keep the water out. Huge black hemispherical force field barriers, which appeared instantaneously and mysteriously, enclosing an entire castle, sent by an extraplanar god, who is also mounting an invasion of the players' plane of existence, were not common in fiction from 1993 and before I don't think, differences in the material the black dome is made of notwithstanding. joehbrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837988222714030857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-45093012416605679202022-06-24T12:18:56.783-04:002022-06-24T12:18:56.783-04:00Apparently, I did!
http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com...Apparently, I did!<br /><br />http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/2014/03/ultima-vi-playing-in-sandbox.html<br /><br />I misremembered.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-21817895150275633012022-06-24T02:22:17.463-04:002022-06-24T02:22:17.463-04:00Reading through the module, I don't see any wo...Reading through the module, I don't see any world or NPC from UU that is obviously a reference to or inspired from this D&D module. As the above poster notes, even the dome is different, and having some kind of huge force field barrier is not exactly rare in fiction. For example, Star Control 2 also has one; and TVtropes predictably has a page full of examples (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DomedHometown).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-4047614122091060982022-06-24T01:15:01.208-04:002022-06-24T01:15:01.208-04:00Calm, dagger, dart, dart, dazzle, dagger, dart; ta...Calm, dagger, dart, dart, dazzle, dagger, dart; take beardBradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06204901637975146609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-54960853876746846862022-06-23T23:16:13.914-04:002022-06-23T23:16:13.914-04:00Did you ever kill him in Ultima VI? That was the f...Did you ever kill him in Ultima VI? That was the first one I thought that it was possible to kill him, until I read your U3 posts.judd9https://www.blogger.com/profile/05775399294060687430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-3615719339473810812022-06-23T20:45:25.477-04:002022-06-23T20:45:25.477-04:00There's a fair number of differences. The bubb...There's a fair number of differences. The bubble of darkness isn't a physical barrier, and as Anon said you spend a lot of time going and beating up giants and drow before finally going to the Abyss. The actual Demonweb doesn't really resemble anything in UW2, and the worlds the portals connect to also include an elven kingdom, an ocean world, a spider labyrinth, a vampire castle, etc. These worlds are not nearly as important to the module as the other worlds are in UW2. I think most of the similarities can be chalked up to the fantasy roleplaying tropes of the era.<br /><br />That said, Warren Spector worked for TSR in the late eighties, so it is more or less impossible that he wasn't at least aware of GDQ 1-7.stepped pyramidsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-46546777414292222052022-06-23T19:53:50.842-04:002022-06-23T19:53:50.842-04:00Yes but when I first saw it I didn't actually ...Yes but when I first saw it I didn't actually notice that. I was more focused on the "official government thing taking the wrong lessons from facism" side of it, so it'd probably be more accurate to say that was one of the things that showed me the issues with law enforcement ran a lot deeper than I thoughtTwibathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872080022551062309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-91981166499409893872022-06-23T16:33:14.815-04:002022-06-23T16:33:14.815-04:00Re Armageddon and Lord British, see: https://ultim...Re Armageddon and Lord British, see: https://ultima.fandom.com/wiki/Killing_Lord_British#Ultima_Underworld_II<br /><br />Not sure what to make of this... might be interesting to try. Dinohttps://gigi.nullneuron.net/ultima/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-38689089515405117102022-06-23T15:37:06.597-04:002022-06-23T15:37:06.597-04:00It's one of the most famous AD&D module se...It's one of the most famous AD&D module series, where you start out by fighting giants (G1-3), proceed underground to meet the drow (D1-3), and then finally fight Lolth, the Demon Queen of Spiders in the 66th layer of the Abyss (Q1).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-37908080405843722202022-06-23T14:52:02.495-04:002022-06-23T14:52:02.495-04:00I was about to object to the idea of any of the or...I was about to object to the idea of any of the original legends containing characters named "Melora" or "Orlando," but damned if there isn't an anonymous 16th-century Irish story called <i>Eachtra Mhelóra agus Orlando</i> in which they both appear. I somehow missed this one in the research I did when I was younger. Still, it's only one story, and comparatively late. And she's nowhere near the only female knight. There's an entire land of women knights named Alarie, ruled by Lady Marine, in Wirnt von Grafenberg's <i>Wigalois</i>. Edmund Spenser has Britomart. There's Silence in Heldris de Cornualle's <i>Roman de Silence</i> and Avenable in the Vulgate <i>Merlin</i>. That might be it, though.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-25549144564522986162022-06-23T14:39:40.850-04:002022-06-23T14:39:40.850-04:00Wow. That seems too much to be a coincidence. Are ...Wow. That seems too much to be a coincidence. Are they really that similar, or are you cherry-picking a bit? A quick Google suggests you're the first to have explicitly made that connection.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-77668116374585409182022-06-23T14:35:09.211-04:002022-06-23T14:35:09.211-04:00I just meant that I killed Lord British in U3 and ...I just meant that I killed Lord British in U3 and U7.CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-81880079314473837952022-06-23T14:26:13.866-04:002022-06-23T14:26:13.866-04:00I imagine most folk here are already aware, but fo...I imagine most folk here are already aware, but for anyone who isn't: there <i>was</i> a non-Avatar-themed game planned using the U7 engine, though it got cancelled early / mid-development. <i>Arthurian Legends</i> was pretty much what it sounds like, described by Sheri Graner Ray as:<br /><br /><i>Set in ancient England, shortly after the “Fall from Grace”, you as the main character were trying to put Camelot back together. Along the way you would encounter the various Knights of the Round Table and could help them with their quests. These included such knights as Sir Pelenor and the Questing Beast, Sir Gawain and The Green Knight, and Melora (the only female knight to show up in any of the legends) and her lover, Prince Orlando. You would eventually deal with Sir Mordred and Morgana as well as Lancelot, Guinevere and Arthur, himself.</i><br /><br />Check the References at https://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Arthurian_Legends for more details. Apparently it was originally going to be "Worlds of Ultima"-style as well, with the Avatar connection, but that was dropped early on.A. Freednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-79141941197152250522022-06-23T14:07:53.525-04:002022-06-23T14:07:53.525-04:00When you say "I've killed the very creato...When you say "I've killed the very creator of my universe", is that a reference to something, or is this something in the Ultima series I can't remember?Dinohttps://gigi.nullneuron.net/ultima/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-1578166722835537772022-06-23T13:01:52.309-04:002022-06-23T13:01:52.309-04:00While I would agree there have been plenty of thin...While I would agree there have been plenty of things that have happened in some agencies to make one think that, in this particular case, the people in question are corrections officers, not "cops."CRPG Addicthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238237377918550322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-59884149817405223822022-06-23T06:05:27.967-04:002022-06-23T06:05:27.967-04:00It's not hard or anything to play Savage Empir...It's not hard or anything to play Savage Empire or Martian Dreams (particularly the latter) and just ignore that marketing says that it's the same character as in Ultima 6. I mean, that's pretty obviously what the designers did, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-78446931329062237962022-06-23T06:03:51.036-04:002022-06-23T06:03:51.036-04:00I remember hearing about that was one of the earli...I remember hearing about that was one of the earlier "Hmm, maybe cops aren't your friends" moments for meTwibathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872080022551062309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-5725740059898972432022-06-23T05:38:41.643-04:002022-06-23T05:38:41.643-04:00I liked the concept behind Worlds of Ultima, those...I liked the concept behind Worlds of Ultima, those games had very cool pulp adventure settings. But for some reason they had to involve the Avatar in them, even though it made little sense. JarlFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139422412722665286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-77157081083254300312022-06-22T22:35:17.141-04:002022-06-22T22:35:17.141-04:00If by riot, you mean 'very disturbing ' th...If by riot, you mean 'very disturbing ' then agreed.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17469733830517678716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-27683991613969519162022-06-22T22:19:35.561-04:002022-06-22T22:19:35.561-04:00Yeah I just reread The Addict's review. I have...Yeah I just reread The Addict's review. I have to imagine there was at least some copying and pasting of code between IV and 2400 A.D..Iffy Bonzooliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07519858732154180575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-2268169496678092712022-06-22T21:23:12.977-04:002022-06-22T21:23:12.977-04:00I think 2400 A.D. was a unique engine, although it...I think 2400 A.D. was a unique engine, although it is certainly similar in many ways to Ultima IV and V.Dungyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12199751859534712567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162314467762792782.post-22967216266107457812022-06-22T18:53:13.571-04:002022-06-22T18:53:13.571-04:00In Quest For Glory if you're playing a mage it...In Quest For Glory if you're playing a mage it's generally more convenient to just skip all the combat than it is to bother fighting with your spells OR your dagger.James Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402554691802940518noreply@blogger.com